El Scorchio
5:59 Sun Feb 12
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Hahaha! That they do :)
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Tomsdad
5:58 Sun Feb 12
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Sorry, Danny Rose!
Well they look alike!
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El Scorchio
5:54 Sun Feb 12
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The golfer?
I must admit I've never seen him take a dive.
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Tomsdad
5:49 Sun Feb 12
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Also Justin Rose, he may not get penalties, but any type of challenge and he's on the floor.
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El Scorchio
5:44 Sun Feb 12
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Payet wasn't a bad/spectacular/prolific diver- certainly not in the same league as some, but he definitely bought a fair amount of free kicks for us.
It's not like Snodgrass is chucking himself about all over the place either.
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Far Cough
5:31 Sun Feb 12
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Ibrahimovic is not a diver
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orwells tragedy
5:28 Sun Feb 12
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"For when the One Great Scorer comes
To mark against your name,
He writes – not that you won or lost –
But how you played the Game."
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Texas Iron
5:27 Sun Feb 12
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Not a Diver...
Manhandled ...pushed down... yesterday in the penalty area...Penalty...
But not an Elite Team player... and serial divers..Kane...Alli...Costa...Hazard...Willian...Rooney...Ibrahimovich...Vardy last season... Alexis...Sterling...Fiminho...
These all go down very easily...and consistently get penalties...we don't...
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Texas Iron
5:25 Sun Feb 12
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Not a Diver...
Manhandled ...pushed down... yesterday in the penalty area...Penalty...
But not an Elite Team player... and serial divers..Kane...Alli...Costa...Hazard...Willian...Rooney...Ibrahimovich...Vardy last season... Alexis...Sterling...Fiminho...
These all go down very easily...and consistently get penalties...we don't...
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gph
4:55 Sun Feb 12
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Must be tempting for refs to assume that if a player doesn't go down, the contact isn't very great. Given that the slightest touch flips players over nowadays.
Before diving became endemic, I seem to recall, loads more penalties were given when the fouled player stayed on their feet.
I might be wrong, but that's the impression I've got.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
4:44 Sun Feb 12
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I find the moral attitude towards diving slightly strange. Especially given the unquestionable fact that a huge number of genuine fouls wouldn't be given without the player going to ground.
For me there are two main categories of "dive":
- Where there is contact and a player goes to ground when they could have feasibly stayed on their feet?
- Where a player induces contact, or goes to ground under no contact.
The latter is unquestionably wrong and is rightly classed as cheating. I don't think many people would argue against that. However the former is applicable to a huge number of penalty/free kick decisions and constitutes a massive grey area.
I reckon for at least 50% of penalties given where a player goes down under a challenge, the player could have stayed on his feet had he *really* tried. We don't view this as cheating when it's a clear foul, only when the decision is debatable. Why is it any different?
And why don't we show similar moral outrage when a player shirt pulls, holds or pushes an opponent to gain an advantage? Is that not also cheating? Why is it so frowned upon for a player who has been fouled to bring it to the attention of the referee? Yet there relatively little focus on the player doing the fouling (who is also cheating)?
Take Winston Reid against Leicester last season as one of many examples. Was he held in the box? Yes. Could he have stayed on his feet? Absolutely. Did he go down to indicate to the ref that he was being fouled? Yes. Was it a correct award of a penalty? Yes. So was he justified in going down? I'd say yes, otherwise he wouldn't have got a penalty.
The problem lies with referees not giving penalties for genuine infringements where the player stays on his feet. They're basically giving a message that there is nothing to gain from staying on your feet. Absolutely nothing.
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Sven Roeder
4:27 Sun Feb 12
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I know we all hate Payet now but I don't remember him as a diver.
Certainly not in the realms of Adele Alli who is just a bona fide CHEAT.
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Any Old Iron
4:20 Sun Feb 12
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Reply El Scorchio 3:39 Sun Feb 12
No-one ever moaned about Payet diving when he was playing for us.
I did, frequently. I hate cheating, whoever does it.
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El Scorchio
4:14 Sun Feb 12
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It is one of the blights of the modern game and I don't like it, but the fact is you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by being honourable and not joining in with that behaviour.
I don't really want to see any West Ham players diving, but I'm sick of seeing opposition players during our matches, and other teams doing it in televised matches all the time and reaping the benefits. I'm tired of seeing us being on the wrong end of situations where an opposing player has cheated and got a goal from it, or we've done the right or honourable thing and suffered from it.
Until such time as they work out how to prevent it or deal with it, then to be frank, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot- and what's the point in taking the moral high ground from the bottom half of the league table? I'm more upset about losing than I am over one of our players taking a tumble to win a free kick or a penalty.
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charlie paynter
3:54 Sun Feb 12
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Alex V 1:41 Sun Feb 12
Re: Snodgrass diving
'I have no major problem with diving. If you don't go to ground you can't win penalties or fouls'.
I can't stand this attitude. You shouldn't be out to 'win' penalties or free kicks in the first place. they happen or they don't. I don't like divers, one of the blights of the modern game
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Tomsdad
3:49 Sun Feb 12
Re: Snodgrass diving
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If that had been Kane yesterday, it would have been given and the Calleri one as well!
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El Scorchio
3:39 Sun Feb 12
Re: Snodgrass diving
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No-one ever moaned about Payet diving when he was playing for us.
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Sven Roeder
3:19 Sun Feb 12
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I thought the player stood on his foot as he tried to run into the box and may even had a hand on his shoulder
I don't mind what the interpretations are as long as they are the same for all teams
The impression is that some offences are pens for some and not for others
Looked like about 3 pens Son or Alli have 'won' for Spurs this season
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Any Old Iron
2:36 Sun Feb 12
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Reply Alex V 1:41 Sun Feb 12
"I have no major problem with diving. If you don't go to ground you can't win penalties or fouls".
Of all the hundreds of daft comments you've written, this one is right up there with the daftest.
Most penalties are awarded when a player has been genuinely tripped and couldn't stay on their feet even if they wanted to. These players are not diving and 'going to ground'.
If everyone were to dive the game would become impossible to referee and unwatchable. Players fall over all too easily these days and refs have to be strong to prevent it getting out of control.
And yes, Noble does buy cheap free kicks and I wish he'd stop it. But because he's so fucking slow it's a method he's developed to get himself out of trouble.
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icwhs
2:36 Sun Feb 12
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Ritchie9 1:59 Sun Feb 12
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madeeasy
2:17 Sun Feb 12
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Mad Dog 12:22 Sun Feb 12
I would rather have less penalties than be part of one of todays problems in the game.
I wold be quite happy for them to ban him for 3 games for going down like that. As long as they retrospectively did it for evenryone else.
Why do they not stamp down on this, as it is such an easy thing to eradictae from the game.
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